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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 21, 2011 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

When it's all said and done, $3 million from E72 is chump change in this industry. For the band members, touring definitely generates more cash. And I agree with others that they do it because they love playing in front of an audience, not for the money. Justin Beiber (or whomever you name that's hot right now) can sell a million CDs and dwarf anything the GD can do right now. Likewise a tour of a hot act generates tens of millions.

I think they're releasing the material now because of a simple fact: they realize that this core generation of deadheads is maturing, greying and gradually passing on. Sell while there's still a market that will buy. 30 years from now is too late to make any money - few will care.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 21, 2011 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

couldnt have said it better myself UJ

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 21, 2011 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

make that two

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 21, 2011 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

To think that Lesh and Weir are on the road simply for the love of playing and not for the money is just naive. It seems pretty obvious that they formed Furthur because it was more of an earning proposition than their current bands, so money most definitely plays a part.

They also have to be taking into account that it's not just their audience that's getting older and greyer. Thirty years from now I don't see 100-year-old Phil caring too much either. Might be fun to attend the birthday show though...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 21, 2011 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

>To think that Lesh and Weir are on the road simply for the love of playing and not for the money is just naive.

To me it doesn't make any sense to figure that multi-millionaires are going out to work every day for the money. They must be enjoying themselves, no, 'cus they don't have to do it? If I had $35 million I would certainly not keep working my tail off (and I *do* like my job), but I can guarantee you I would be doing mainly what pleased me with most of my days.

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Poster: boltman Date: Jan 21, 2011 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

Agreed...I love my job, but would have to do something else if they didn't pay me. I recognize the current economic realities and try to get paid the greatest amount that my profession and the economy can sustain. I wish to sustain my wife and kids at the highest level of comfort that is possible considering my chosen profession.

The remaining members of the Dead should be expected to do no less. They created the music and should be allowed to do with it as they please. I am free to purchase or not, stream or not, download auds or not, use etree/LL, or the unmentionable Pirate Bay.

Few artists have achieved the staying power of the Dead. Miles, Coltrane, Monk and the like are still selling music, but I can't imagine the estates are receiving large sums. The Beatles are probably still bringing in large amounts of money, but I believe that much of that is going to others who own the catalog.

Sorry, rambling. Seems like the general consensus around these parts is that it is what it is (to paraphrase Popeye). My two cents is that I'm fine with it, as if that matters in the least to the band...and it doesn't need to. My relationship is to the music they created, not necessarily to the people who made it. Sometimes the two get squishy. It becomes difficult to separate the musician from the music; we see them as mythic because the music is so powerful. However, they are just the same as us...flawed humans.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 21, 2011 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

Maybe naive. Everyone likes getting paid - but I'd say it's ludicrous to say they're doing it for primarily for the money. Two things that drive musicians from experience: they love playing, as often as possible, with other like-minded, creative musicians; and they love an audience.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 21, 2011 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

I agree with that. if they were just doing it for the cash they wouldn't be pushing the 3-3 1/2 hr mark every night.

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 21, 2011 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

I'd like to think that in the future GD will attain the same kind of status as Bird, Miles etc have now and that whatever the technology (your own personal mp3 cloud hanging over you as you jog) there will be the same interest as the jazz greats. I think Garcia at least deserves that longevity.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 21, 2011 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: ? for all; DEAD biz model related...

Agree - JG is just as important, if not more so. But, how many records did those guys sell lately? (not that $$ mean anything in regards to artistic integrity, no relationship.) Point being - we are already 45 years from the inception of this band. We can preserve a legacy for the future, that's fine. Is there any other band ever that has released such a legacy? The sheer number of official releases is 10 times any other band I can think of, and yet we're still listening, collecting and ready to buy more. Astounding !